Monday, November 28, 2005

Indisputable Evidence: At-Large Teams

There's been a lot of bellyaching about the two at-large spots in the BCS. While we can certainly use facts, logic, and basic reasoning skills to indisputibly show Notre Dame's worthiness of grabbing one of these, there would be little efficacy in doing so, as "Basic Reasoning" is a Graduate-level class at Oregon and tOSU. Plus, ndoldtown did it already over at NDNation. Nay, the best way to settle this score is with a big stupid tale-of-the-tape list. It's a dirty job, but dammit, somebody has to do it.

Ohio State


Notre Dame
Stadium Named After

The only game where "close" is good enough.

Mythical Lumberjack Thomas Autzen

The Blessed Virgin
Advantage: Notre Dame
Best Recipe for Eating Mascot

In a tree during the cold, cold winter.

A l'Orange

Children served to English peasants.
Advantage: Oregon
Founded By
Massive land grant.
Lewis & Clark
Scraggly-bearded French Priests.
Advantage: Notre Dame
Coach's Fashion Statement

Sweatervest and tie, a la Apollo 13 Engineer.

Cheezy Mustache and feathered hair. Does anyone else think Bellotti looks like the guy from the Wedding Singer?

Buzz Cut
Advantage: None
Best Line from Fight Song

Hail! Hail! The Gang's All Here!

Who's Got the Sweetest Disposition?

Shake Down the Thunder from the Sky
Advantage: Notre Dame
Disciplina in civitatem
"Education for Citizenship"
Mens Agitat Molem
Knowledge is Good
Vita, Dulcedo, Spes
(Mary, our) Life, Sweetness, and Hope
Advantage: Notre Dame

There you go. Indisputible. Book your hotels and pack your sunscreen, jam your iPods with Gin Blossoms and Jimmy Eat World tunes, and let's crack some skulls in the desert.


At 8:29 AM, Blogger IrishOutsider said...

the numbers dont lie, and you forgot the alkaline trio.

who's got the sweetest disposition? no freaking way....

At 9:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

just more biased Notre Dame propaganda. . .
Have any of you even watched one of Oregon's football games?
oh, and best line from UO fight song:
OSU may fight 'til the end but we will win!

At 10:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Auburn would win all these categories hands down, and we would kick all three of their rear ends and that is why Auburn should be in a BCS bowl.

At 10:56 PM, Blogger Gizmo said...

When you have to include a line in or after your fight song that recognizes an opponent (even if it is a bitter rival) you've already lost.

Besides, you won tastiest mascot. Be happy with what you got.

At 11:15 PM, Blogger fightinamish said...

Don't know about Auburn, boss. Stadium named after a couple of trustees, I'm pretty sure tiger is gamy and unsavory, and Tuberville is another sweatervest maven.

At 1:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Auburn shut up, lost to 4 loss team
Notre Dame shut up, lost to a 6 loss team.
Ohio State, pretty losses but still two losses.
NO Matter the schedule, Oregon's loss is to a team without a loss for 30 odd games. Argument of anyone but the Ducks getting the Fiesta Bowl is asinine, ignorant and plain closed minded elitist greed. It is sad that it comes down to money and not what 18-22 year old kids have poured their heart, soul and tears into. Instead some old rich a-holes will give more money to some more old rich a-holes. Bowls should be about awarding student athletes for their effort, and accomplishments. But alas, it is not about touchdown Jesus, but almighty GOD money.

At 1:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oregon...realize the irrelevance of oregon

At 2:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Notre Shame??? Thats what they should be called after flopping in Palo Alto. Notre Shame should hope they play Ohio State and not the Ducks. The Ducks would easily hang 60 on the enept Notre Dame defense.

At 2:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oregon not getting the BCS bid would make the BCS system in general a complete joke. 2 loss teams beating Oregon out for a BCS bowl is asinine. The Pac-10 gets no respect cause they beat each other up while the east coast sleeps. What's the Pac-10's record in BCS bowls? 6-1. No doubt Oregon deserves to be there. Anything else makes the BCS and college bowl system irrelevant. And if it happens the Pac-10 should boycott this garbage.

At 3:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Realize the irrelevance of Oregon? When was the last time Notre Dame won the Fiesta Bowl? They got the s**t kicked out of them in 2000 by Oregon State. Oregon might no longer have Kellen Clemens, but they have spirit and a lot of talent. Penn State v. Oregon would be a damn exciting football game.

At 5:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

no one outside of oregon cares about oregon. everyone in the country has interest in ohio state and notre dame (love and hate). there's the reason for the matchup. besides, no one outside of oregon thinks the ducks would beat either osu or nd.

At 7:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oregon has the easiest schedule I have ever seen. Come play in the SEC or ACC and you will have 5 losses. You beat Washington State by 3!

At 7:24 AM, Blogger IrishOutsider said...

Once again, for those of us joining late, if it was the best 8 teams, Oregon has an argument. The BCS is not in the business of handing out gold stars, its in the business of filling stadiums, selling Cialis, and getting people to watch those Miller Lite ads with Mr. Flav.

"There's only one team we watch in this house....Oregon."

It just doesnt sound right, does it?

go anonymously annoy some WVU or FSU fans.


At 8:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oregon fans are right. I'm a ND fan but can't justify 10-1 vs 9-2.
BUT, ain't going to happen

At 8:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On a neutral field, Ohio State beats Oregon by three touchdowns. Forget the records because comparing the Pac-10 to the Big Ten is just ludicrous. Let's look inside some numbers. Oregon's only loss was to USC 45-13. Let me repeat that score in case you missed it, 45-13!!!!!!. Oregon beats ARIZONA 28-21 for crying out loud. Washington State 34-31. Ohio State beats those two teams by four touchdowns or more.
Oregon fans know deep down if they played in the Big Ten, they are a three loss team at best. Hanging your hat on, "our only loss is to the #1 team" is what is asinine. Oregon loses to the #1 BCS team by 32 and somehow that is better than losing to the #2 and #3 BCS teams in the last 30 seconds of both games.
If Oregon fans are honest with themselves, they would admit that Ohio State is definitely the better team and the stats are there to back it up.

At 8:33 AM, Blogger Bob Stebbins said...

There's a VERY EASY answer to this question. Since we have this "wonderful" BCS system, just use the BCS Rankings to determine the 2 teams. After all, that's the SAME system that decides who plays in the National Championship game.

At 9:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's ridiculous that people keep making arguments for Ohio State, Notre Dame, or Oregon over the other two on the basis of merit. The sad reality is that the BCS bowls aren't designed to take the best eight teams. If that was the case, ALL THREE teams would be in BCS bowls.

No matter WHICH team gets left out of the BCS bowls, the finger should be pointed to WEST VIRGINIA, a non-top 10 team whose conference standing gets it a coveted spot.

While I am not disparaging West Virginia, which has played well this year, Notre Dame, OSU, Oregon, and Auburn are ALL more desrving of a BCS bid.

At 9:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oregon fans agree that Ohio State may be better than the Ducks. We don't have a problem with the Buckeyes losses, we agree that they were 'good' losses. What we do have a problem with is Notre-look at us were on NBC-Dame. So they played a great game against USC. But the loss to Michigan State...any way you look at it...just plain stinks!
And for the blogger who "thinks", and I use that term very lightly due to his lack of a functional brain, don't tell us that Ohio State will beat Oregon by three touchdowns! And then beat WSU & AZ by four touchdowns or more? Wow you're a genius! You should use you're "knowledge" of football and place bets in Vegas and make millions! But you can't. that's because football is played on the field not in your narrow mind! Did anyone think Stanford would give Notre Dame so much trouble? Teams must play otherwise it becomes simply a philosophical debate.

At 9:29 AM, Blogger fightinamish said...

To be fair to West Virginia, they have a pretty decent resume. Only one loss to a top ten team, and while their Strength of Schedule is not epic (#68 in Sagarin), our good friends from the SEC might want to watch their tongue when criticizing them. LSU has the #62 SOS, Auburn the #66, Alabama #64, and Georgia #57, which places them right in that mucky area full of Big East Teams.

At 9:34 AM, Blogger Oregon Fan said...

oregon kicked the crap out of Michigan last year you idiot Big Ten fans, so no your Conf is not a tough one, it is a joke

At 9:54 AM, Blogger fightinamish said...

In fairness, Oregon beat Michigan two years ago, and I'm not exactly sure if a 4 point victory counts as "kicking the crap" out of an opponent. I'm not sure if a two-year old game where Oregon beat a choke-artist coach and continued a streak of opening road-game losses constitutes an argument for the worthiness of a conference of 11 teams.

Of course, you can still rub this in the faces of Michigan fans, if you'd like. I don't think there's a statute of limitations.

At 10:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No matter what anyone says, Notre Dame will be in the Fiesta Bowl for the simple fact that they are awesome. Doesnt it suck that the media loves us. We could have 3 losses and we would still go the the Fiesta Bowl over Oregon.

At 10:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Notre Dame and Ohio St. deserve to be in the BCS. Auburn deserves it more than Oregon does. Oregon is in the Pac-10(small step above High School). The Pac-10 should shut their mouths and be happy that they don't play any real good teams from the East. USC is overrated... LSU and Auburn were better in 2003 & 2004.

At 10:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a HINT, we will all be doing this next year. Complaining about who should be in & out. Until they decide it on the field with a playoff system. Dont leave it up to old rich men to decide. Every major sport has a playoff system except, you guessed it (College football). The NCAA should get a life and let the young men settle it on the field. Until then, and only then, will we be able to have these nice little arguement's over witch school is really better. 1 - Wowing a 5 star player to come to your school $519 2. Paying his full ride for 4 yrs $28,000. 3. making money off him if he becomes a all-american, a cool $200,000. leting him decide on the field, his team is the best ( during the playoffs) really is PRICELESS.

At 10:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know why ND is going to get the Fiesta nod?

Because the game is broadcast at 8:30pm EST on January 2nd. Primetime Monday Night Football for Easterners compared to 4:30-haven't-got-of-work-yet Pacific or Westerners. I'd rather have EVERYONE out east watching ND and get ratings, than a small handful out west watching.

Furthermore USC will be the big draw out west. Not Oregon. Oregon only excites people in the Northwest part of the Country. ND excites everyone out east.

Fiesta bowl is about ratings, not putting two teams together no one wants to watch like Oregon.

At 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line for Oregon--you can't help your conference schedule, but if you ever want to be taken seriously, schedule some decent non-conference games. No team deserves recognition for beating a Div 1-AA team (Montana) and Houston? Give me a break! Go play the big boys on aregular basis like ND does, then we'll talk.

At 11:37 AM, Anonymous Pellee said...

Exactly. The Pac-10 may have some cupcake teams, but if you are also scheduling Div 1-AA teams and still think you deserve to play in the BCS, you should be mistaken. Take a cue from OSU, who not only picked a tough team to play in Texas, but early in the season instead of playing a warm up team like Houston.

Oregon has a case, but I think that give the lack of quality wins, they will not win it.

Also, I have to agree that if you must name a school that is not your own in your fight song, your fight song is officially lame.

Congrats on the successful blogging Bong!

At 11:53 AM, Blogger fightinamish said...

Good luck behind enemy lines, Pellee. Do me a favor and kick the next Buckeye you see in the family jewels for me!

At 12:35 PM, Anonymous Pellee said...

Will do! I have this sinking feeling that I should fear for my life if I am still in Columbus during the bowl game. OSU fans are scary.

At 4:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to see Ohio State play Oregon, just to shut these arrogant OSU fans up. Remember last time Oregon was supposed to get blown out in a BCS bowl versus Colorado? Yup.

I also remember the last time Notre Dame got into a BCS bowl they didn't deserve...

At 5:21 PM, Blogger fightinamish said...

I had just about forgotten about it until you brought it up. Thanks.

At 8:54 AM, Anonymous Pellee said...

Yes indeed, my zen mind state has deleted that from my brain until you reminded me. Thank you for that enlightening piece.

What I want to know is why Ducks fans think they can go around to every blog on the Internet and insult people but at the same time have people root in their favor to make the BCS this year? Maybe you bowl match-up will be Buffalo, since that is the caliber of opponent that you favor anyway. I don't think you would stand a chance against OSU.

At 10:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

skunkbears, heh...

At 11:56 PM, Anonymous captaineclectic said...

Hell, anonymous Duck fan's got a point. Past results are perfectly indicative of future results.

Which is why when a top-10 Pac-10 team like, say, Oregon, gets snubbed by the BCS and exiled to the Holiday Bowl, they'll get their asses handed to them by a mediocre Big 12 team.

At 12:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Asses handed to them? If we get snubbed, we'll kick the living daylights out of Oklahoma. Hope you are happy with Oregon 52, Oklahoma 14. Then we'll do it again next season.


At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think Oregon would beat Oklahoma 52-14, I've got some ocean front property out in Arizona to sell you. You can't be that much of a homer to really believe that, can you?

When debating Oregon and Ohio State, it simply comes down to this question. If Montana had played Texas before their Pac-10 schedule, would they be 10-1?

College football experts and fans are always imploring teams to schedule tough non-conference games despite the chance it may hurt them.

What type of message are you sending to the "big" schools if you award Oregon a BCS game over Ohio State? I'm afraid we will see too many Oregon-Montana type games in the future if the BCS allows this to happen.

At 10:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had the post above. I meant to say if Oregon had played Texas in the first paragraph.

At 9:55 PM, Blogger fightinamish said...

I get them confused, too.

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